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imwalde ([personal profile] imwalde) wrote2006-07-10 10:31 pm

Pleasure to meet your carbuncle!

Saw Pirates this weekend. Which, I just read, had the biggest opening weekend box office in Hollywood history. Also? First film in history to top $100 million in 2 days.

So, I liked it. I thought it was glorious, silly fun. But, it wasn't really very good, was it? The first movie, I think is genuinely good. This one was just fun, and depended very much on my considerable good will towards the franchise as its basis. It's very much a middle. I don't mind some threads needing to carry over to Pirates 3, but I think there were a few too many. I mean, I'm going to see it again and all, so I clearly wasn't that bothered.

That said, I love Johnny Depp, but Bill Nighy and Stellan Skaarsgaard stole the movie this time around. Keira Knightley was better this time around, I think. They gave her more to do. Also, Norrington got HOT. Mrrrorw. Desperation and rock bottom are quite tasty on him.

Can I ask for a plot clarification from someone who has seen the movie? It's about the dead man's chest. Ok, I get that it's Davy Jones heart, and why various people are after it (to control the seas, or for leverage, etc). Here's what I don't get, and I think it is because I found the gyspy queen, or whoever she was, a little hard to understand. Ok, so he loved a girl...and then he tore his still-beating heart out. Why, exactly? What was the connection? Did he get his heart broken, or was it to prove his eternal love, or what? I totally missed that. Please please someone explain it to me!

My favorite part about the whole thing was the bad guys. Y'all have seen how awesome Davy Jones looks, right?



I loved just thinking about how some production designers and costume guys and makeup artists and special effects guys and set designers got together and just got to let their imagination loose and ended up with something SO FUCKING AWESOME as Davy Jones and his crew. I mean, as far as I know, they had nothing to base it on, so it was just something they thought up. And I cracked myself up thinking about the set designer telling his crew, "This looks great, everyone, we're on the right track, but we need more barnacles. MORE BARNACLES!"

In World Cup news, I completely forgot the game was yesterday and didn't watch. I would have rooted for France, so oh well. In case anyone is wondering, France is totally not mad at Zizou as far as I can tell from the TV news and the French newspapers. They still worship him. Some people are saying that it just makes him human, and that he had nerves of steel most of his career, so he was due for a little fraying. Most people are speculating about what the Italian guy must have said. The most common theories after racism is that he said something about his mom. And you know what? I kind of love that no matter where you go in the world, a good "your mom" joke is never too far away. It's a small world after all, indeed.

[identity profile] shamoogity.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
I love your icon.

[identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! It cracked me up when I saw it.

Pirates spoiler

[identity profile] kaytt.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
I think Davy Jones ripped his heart out because he couldn't stand the pain of unrequited love... but I'm going to have to see it again to tell you for sure. Possibly had something to do with the barnacles, though.

Re: Pirates spoiler

[identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought it might be something like that, but when Jack is telling Davy Jones that Will Turner is in love, I thought it was to see if that would elicit any sympathy/kindness from DJ. Because he has a soft spot for young lovers, maybe, I thought was the subtext?

And then the whole love-scorned heartbroken thing makes less sense, because why would he have a softspot if he got his heart ripped out figuratively before doing it literally. At least, that is what I thought was going on there, but I could be crazy.

I clearly need to see it again, because I'm confused about the motivation right there.

[identity profile] athenacqd.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
They didn't explicitly state what the girl did to him, but the gypsy said that the girl was untamable and, thus, it is implied that she probably left him (or perhaps did something reckless and died). I think cutting the heart out was from the pain of loving something so much which is what implies that the love is unrequited or that she was otherwise unattainable. I suspect we will find out exactly what went down between Davy and his girl in the third movie.

[identity profile] athenacqd.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I thought the movie was ok, but not anywhere close to the same league of good as the first one. It was way too dependant on the supernatural and dark, danky, ickiness. I loved the first one because it was so bright and adventurous and like a real roller coaster, this one had moments like that, but in a lot of ways just plodded along for me.

[identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
First one was better, totally.

Heh. The whole loving something and as a consequence making decisions about your actual, physical heart thing makes me think of Untamed Heart. When he doesn't want heart replacement surgery, because he might not love her the same afterwards?

Hehehh. That's funny now, but made me weepy when I was 13.

[identity profile] biggieshorty.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I kind of hated this movie, I think? It's hard to tell, since I found some things really funny and some of the effects work totally amazing (Davy Jones' side-face nose-hole!), but overall I was just disappointed and kind of angry at it?

Things that would have made me like the movie more:
40% less Kraken ("If it's awesome the first time, imagine how awesome it'll be the THIRD time!")
50% more coherent, story-centered plot ("Here are six tasks for the four characters to complete! The audience won't notice that the script reads like a to-do list! Ready: GO!")
20% louder and less sloshy line readings from Johnny Depp. He was less iconic than in the first installment -- I couldn't remember any of his lines from the sequel after seeing it, though I remember liking a few of them.
100% less MAGIC NEGRO. This was really what killed the movie for me. I know the Pirates franchise isn't about race relations in the Imperial Caribbean, but if you're going to have one main black character, for the love of god don't go to the magic negro place with her! If she gets a back story and interiority in the third movie, I'll take back half of this complaint.

[identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I kind of couldn't believe they went there with her. I was hoping she'd be his ex-wife or something (when one of them was all, this key is important enough that he will go see HER?).

Have you seen this review of the movie? (http://www.askaninja.com/node/1175) Hehehehhe. I really wish the plot had been more coherent, too. I don't mind lots of threads, really I don't, but I shouldn't be confused by a frickin Disney movie!

As for Johnny Depp, I agree with what I read in one review, I think in the Washington Post. His performance in the first movie is so surprising compared to the expected pirate schtick, that's it's really a bit thrilling and feels subversive somehow. Like, at first you're all, dude, I can't believe he's getting away with this in a Disney movie! Because it is not the movie/performance you thought you would see in a big budget action popcorn blockbuster. And you're rooting for Johnny Depp's vision for POTC to win over Disney's POTC. And because he is a morally and sexually ambiguous central character, it is just AWESOME and COOL. And it really was a bit of a struggle to get the movie made how he wanted Jack Sparrow to be, and some of the producers passed down notes that he was supposed to stop with "all the faggotty stuff." (I read EW, I know these things.)

This time around, there's no thrill of the unexepected or subversive, because Disney execs, knowing fan reaction and not being dumb, threw the weight of the studio/movie squarely behind him. So now it's not Johnny Depp's vision for POTC, it's Johnny Depp's vision for POTC as appropriated by studio execs and marketed for the masses.

[identity profile] meghatron.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
If she gets a back story and interiority in the third movie, I'll take back half of this complaint.

So, I take it you missed all the hints that Tia Dalma is the woman Davy Jones fell in love with? And that she's most likely been playing everyone since she traded Jack the compass?

[identity profile] biggieshorty.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
No, no! That was certainly telegraphed as a possibility (particularly with the similarities of some of the stuff in her bayou hut to some of the stuff in the chest they dig up), but to no resolution in this particular movie. As you quoted from my comment, I'll be THRILLED if they go there. And I think it would have been effective, for all those who were not paying attention to that possibility (or who were distracted by her incredibly theatrical accent), if they'd have hinted at her larger role a little more strongly at the conclusion of this installment.

Then again, I hoped for the same thing in the Matrix movies and got let down big-time. Fingers crossed!

[identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, I can't speak for everyone, but I know I missed that hint!

*makes a note for second viewing*

[identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com 2006-07-11 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, I should specify that it was clear she had her own agenda and could have been playing the lot of them, I just never connected her with the woman from Davy Jones's past.

[identity profile] kid-prufrock.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
(Hey — I don't have your email but I'm taking a long road trip to North Carolina and think it'd be really cool to hang out or something on the way. If you're up for it, and free early next week, email me at benjamin.bagley at gmail?)

[identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay, totally! (Incidentally, I'm imwalde at hotmail.)